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Bro. Peter Dimond

There’s been quite a bit of discussion on social media recently about Vatican II’s false teaching that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.  The true Catholic position is that Muslims and other unbelievers who reject the divinity of Jesus and the Holy Trinity do not worship the one true God.  On this matter many people are being misled in a serious way by defenders of Vatican II who are frankly not only faithless but also unfamiliar with or dishonest about the Catholic Church’s traditional teaching on this issue.  In fact, the heretical defenders of the Vatican II Sect have become so bold in their delusion on this point that some of them even claim that Catholic authorities have always held that Muslims, despite rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity, worship the same God as Christians/Catholics.  For example, Vatican II Sect apologist Joe Heschmeyer claims that it’s a Protestant novelty to deny that Jews and Muslims worship the one true God.

Joe Heschmeyer, Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?, April 29, 2025: “So the idea that Muslims and Christians worship separate gods, or worse that Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship separate gods, is a pretty modern error – one that seems to have had its origin in some form of Protestantism.”

His claim is utterly false, and he’s simply not familiar with Catholic teaching or history on this matter.  Many others are making similar false claims. 

Trent Horn, Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? (My Take), July 3, 2025: “The Church has always recognized that Muslims and Jews aren’t like other non-Christians, because they do worship the One God.”

This video will quote the famous Dominican St. Vincent Ferrer, who was a miracle worker, a preacher and a logician.  It will also quote a catechism on Islam published by a scholastic theologian in 1586.  These are just a few quotes out of many new points that, God willing, we hope to share on this topic.  To our knowledge this will be the first time that these quotes have been translated into English from Latin.  With regard to St. Vincent Ferrer, of course we recognize that he was not infallible.  However, his statement reflects the true and traditional position of the Catholic Church on this issue, just like the catechism that we will cite.  Quotes like this are particularly potent because they directly address the issue of whether Muslims and Jews believe and worship a false god or the true God.  This is in contrast to many quotes the other side brings forward, which do not actually support their position because they simply mean that Muslims confess, acknowledge or worship one God (i.e. that they are monotheists), not that they worship the same God as Catholics.  Some of the quotes they cite are also mistranslated.  The source for St. Vincent’s statement is one of his Lenten sermons, contained in a seventeenth-century Latin volume of his works published by a Dominican.

St. Vincent Ferrer (1350-1419): “Likewise he who has a false belief about God makes and adores idols; and therefore Jews and Saracens [i.e. Muslims], who do not believe the one God to be Father, and Son and Holy Spirit, make idols for themselves, and a new god, who is not Father or Son or Holy Spirit.  And there is not such a god in the world, because the one true God is Father and Son and Holy Spirit.  And therefore they adore idols, by making for themselves a new god, who is not Father, etc.”[1]

As we can see, St. Vincent is extremely clear.  Jews and Muslims, since they deny the Trinity, adore idols and a new false god, who is not the one true God.  The Latin text of his sermon even uses the very same word that Vatican II does, adorant, to teach the opposite of Vatican II.  The Vatican II Sect is not the Catholic Church but the prophesied end-times Counter Church, as our material explains.  St. Vincent also teaches that the Jews and Muslims must believe in Jesus to be saved, which is Catholic dogma.  Now that we’ve revealed this quote, it will almost certainly be posted and quoted by many others without any reference to where they saw it (namely, in our material).  That happens with a lot of our research.  That’s why it’s important to view our videos, subscribe to our newsletter, and share our material and website – where, by God’s grace, you will find the most important information to refute the countless lies and distortions that heretics are spreading against the one true Catholic faith in our day.  We plan to cover much more on this topic, God willing, and that includes refuting fallacious arguments people are making on this topic. It should also be noted that St. John Chrysostom said the same thing about Jews that St. Vincent  did.  He said that none of them adore God because they deny the Son. 

St. John Chrysostom, First Homily On Jews: “But at any rate the Jews say that they, too, adore God.  God forbid that I say that.  No Jew adores God!  Who says so?  The Son of God says so.  For He said: ‘If you were to know my Father, you would also know me.  But you neither know me nor do you know my Father’.  Could I produce a witness more trustworthy than the Son of God?... who should not make bold to declare plainly that the synagogue is a dwelling of demons?  God is not worshipped there... From now on it remains a place of idolatry.”

This should be obvious.  He would of course apply the same principle to Muslims if he had lived to see their day.  The other passages I want to cover in this video come from a noted Cistercian theologian named Pedro De Lorca who died in the early 1600s.  We’ve cited him before.  He was a Doctor of Theology, Superior General of his order in Spain, and he wrote a specific work on the sect of Mohammed or Islam.  In fact, he wrote a catechism for people converting from Islam, called Catecheses Mystagogicae pro advenis ex secta Mahometana.  Thus, he was a scholastic theologian with expertise on Islam.  What did he teach about whether Muslims and Christians have and worship the same god?  Here’s what he wrote, and this has been translated from the Latin.

Pedro de Lorca, Catecheses Mystagogicae pro advenis ex secta Mahometana, Instruction 9, 1586: “First of all, that sect [Islam] abounds with lies – as though with maggots – which are brought forth by Mohammed in the name of God; hence we will rightly call the god of Mohammed a liar, if you depict him as a god rather than a demon.  For concerning the demon, the father of lying, it is maintained in the Gospel that he is a liar and the father of lying, who, as if by hereditary right has borne lying as his portion.  But concerning the god of Mohammed, who gave him the means of seizing a beautiful wife from his slave, of uniting her to himself forever, of abusing his purchased maidservants, and even of retaining more if he could support them, we shall rightly say that he is no less a liar than the demon, nay that he is to be considered the same demon.  For there is no god who does such things, except Baalim, Astaroth, or another god of Ekron [2 Kings 1:2] similar to these.”

That’s exceedingly clear.  He specifically and correctly teaches that the ‘god’ of Islam is a demon, and he compares the false god of Islam to various false gods, including the false gods of Ekron mentioned in the Bible.  There’s much more to be covered on this issue, God willing, so stay tuned.  To be a true Christian and be saved, one must be a traditional Catholic, as our material explains.

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[1] Opera Omnia, Tomi Primi Pars Secunda, Sancti Vincentii Ferrarii, Sermones Quadragesimales (Juan Tomás de Rocaberti O.P.), 1695, Feria VI. Post Domin. I, Quadra. Sermon II, p. 483